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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 12:07 pm |
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| I hope the pain is so bad that it kills him....Show no mercy...he didn't
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marc
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:57 am |
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Who cares...Kill the fat bastard...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26014962
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empty
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| Location: | Plano, Texas USA |
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:27 am |
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Dave wrote:
I don't think that there is a single answer to what we need. I do like a few parts of the "Picken's Plan". One main thing I don't like about it, is that Gore is attached to it. (Anyone can agree with me or disagree, that is just the way I feel about Gore) But, I have to admit, I never knew that each wind-mill required 2 acres...
There are some other rarely known things about wind generators, for instance, did you know that once they get a certain size, they are supposed to put out a noise that scares off larger birds... There are some people that can't stand the sounds of those things.
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Dave
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:17 am |
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the preacher wrote:
ya know, I have been wondering about something....how come NO ONE ever mentions hydro-electric? We have lots of rivers, once a plant is put in, it has no effect on the environment, they require little maintenance so I am told, and make a LOT of power. Kerr Damn in Virginia, (just a little north of where I am) has 4 or 5 units, and someone told me once if the grid would let them run all of them at the same time, they could supply VA, NC and SC with all the juice they needed...maybe they aren't doing hydro cause Gore didn't invent it yet?
lol
RSDF
I don't think that there is a single answer to what we need. I do like a few parts of the "Picken's Plan". One main thing I don't like about it, is that Gore is attached to it. (Anyone can agree with me or disagree, that is just the way I feel about Gore) But, I have to admit, I never knew that each wind-mill required 2 acres...
"Compressed Natural Gas" or CNG is a clean(er) burning fuel and all reports say we have a lot of it available.
There are already a lot cars available that can be bought with either gas or CNG being used for fuel. Its cheap too. I think that the average price around here, is less than $2.00 a gallon. You can also buy home refueling stations that give the user a cost of less than $1.00 a gallon. When I had my Bronco with the 460 in it, I was getting about 7.5 MPG, I looked into a propane conversion, which is very similar to CNG. That was about 6 or 7 years ago and the conversion was about $2,000.00. Out of reach for me then. Now? With $5.00 per gallon for gas in sight? I think if necessary, I could pull the money together...LOL
Anyway, Hydro-electric makes sense. But, I gotta disagree with you on the impact to the environment. Looks at the "Three-Rivers" project in China. They had to flood thousands of miles of land to make that work. How much land was flooded for the "Hoover Damn"? I'm not familiar with the "Kerr Damn" but, I have to think that they had to flood some land to make that work too.
But, I really don't think that there is anything we're gonna be able to do that doesn't have an impact on the environment. Its just a matter of how much impact are we willing to accept? You and me? Probably a whole lot more than the typical tree-huggin' Sierra Club member. So, that starts a battle...
But, we have how many thousands of miles of coastline? I would think that there would be a way to set something up, off-shore, under-water, that would harness the power of the current or wave action. But again, how much impact to the environment are we willing to accept. Because, you know that Green-Peace is gonna be out there raisin' hell about that one too.
Nuke? I tend to believe that is the safest and cleanest way to create power. But, what to do with the waste. That's a huge issue. Navy has been powering ships and submarines for decades with nuke and has a extremely low accident rate. Not saying they don't happen. But, I can't (in recent memory) remember an accident on a U.S. nuke boat. But, try and get that one past the "Anti-Nuke" crowd.
There are a lot of different methods that we, personally, can get off the grid, power-wise. None are cheap to start out with. Solar power is a big way to go. You can buy shingles that are solar panels and generate part of your power that way. Add a small wind-mill and you might get completely off the power grid with the set up. You might get completely off with just the solar panels too. Guess it would depend on how many you have.
And then there's the issue of storage. Battery technology has come a long ways in recent times. But, there always seems to be one issue or another with the environmental crowd. Disposal of the batteries when they go bad is something that quickly comes to mind.
What's the old saying? You can fool some of the people some of the time. But, you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Well, replace "Fool" with "Satisfy". JMHO...
Sorry about the long post, we now return you to the news...
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the preacher
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 09:25 am |
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ya know, I have been wondering about something....how come NO ONE ever mentions hydro-electric? We have lots of rivers, once a plant is put in, it has no effect on the environment, they require little maintenance so I am told, and make a LOT of power. Kerr Damn in Virginia, (just a little north of where I am) has 4 or 5 units, and someone told me once if the grid would let them run all of them at the same time, they could supply VA, NC and SC with all the juice they needed...maybe they aren't doing hydro cause Gore didn't invent it yet?
lol
RSDF
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zippo
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 01:51 am |
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One of the scientest at los alamos wrote this in respon class=storydate style="FONT: 11pt Garamond, Georgia, Times, serif; COLOR: black"Monday, August 04, 2008
Monday, August 04, 2008
Without Nuclear, Alternative Energy Is Tilting at Windmills
By William R. Stratton And Donald F. Peterson
Los Alamos Education Group
AL GORE AND T. Boone Pickens recently have offered proposals to solve the energy shortfall and climate change. Gore recommends abandoning use of fossil fuels in 10 years. Pickens proposes a combination of wind power for electrical generation and reassignment of natural gas from electric power generation to the mobile economy. ...
Both proposals aim to substitute other energy production methods for existing fossil-produced energy. Both proposals fail to consider future energy requirements and thus add little to the largely unanticipated doubling to quadrupling of energy demand accompanying population growth in the rest of this century.
Planners must make decisions now to influence future energy generation methods. ... The time to experiment was squandered by the abdication of nuclear energy leadership in the late '70s. We are 30 years late and many dollars short.
In 2006, the Energy Information Agency published the total national electrical demand at 580,000 megawatts; about 50 percent comes from coal, 20 percent from natural gas and 20 percent from nuclear power. Natural gas provides a little over 100,000 megawatts.
Windmills are proposed to provide the power now obtained from natural gas. If each windmill generates three megawatts, over 33,000 windmills would be required to replace natural gas or nuclear power, when the wind is blowing at the correct velocity. The cost per kilowatt is more than what it replaces but not unduly so.
However, because the operating record for getting electricity from windmills is only a third of the time, three times as many would be needed, still with no assurance of constant, adequate supply.
Additionally, modification of the electric grid system would be necessary to collect and distribute windmill energy. At two acres per windmill, the footprint would be enormous and the electrical energy would replace only the natural gas-generated power.
We suspect that utilities are using windmills primarily to satisfy government edicts that place legislative requirements on power generators to use renewable power — wind, solar, biomass, etc. It is much like requiring oil companies to drill for oil where there is none.
Nuclear energy, not mentioned by Pickens and Gore, is reliable day or night, rain or shine, winter or summer, calm or windy days and has a comparatively tiny footprint. Allowing a few percent for peaking requirements, all coal and natural gas plants could be replaced by about 240 nuclear power stations of 1,500 megawatts each.
Considering that we constructed over 100 in less that 20 years, making our electrical system nuclear using an approved "cookie cutter" reactor design is a feasible proposition with room to expand. The French have done it successfully.
We urge Pickens and Gore to pursue this objective instead of more ephemeral solutions.
The only way we see any short term hope for the Gore/Pickens proposals is if we use Gore's speeches to power Pickens' windmills.
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Abo
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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the preacher wrote: Abo:
I am going to guess he would use all his initials...BHO...
ROFL
how was yer birthday bash?
RSDF I'm sure you are right. I did Survive yet another birthday, of course I was not at Randys might not have than.. LOL.. Thanks for asking. Abo
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the preacher
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 04:31 pm |
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Abo:
I am going to guess he would use all his initials...BHO...
ROFL
how was yer birthday bash?
RSDF
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Abo
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 04:29 pm |
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the preacher wrote: Barack Obama said that
Tought to go through life with your initials.. BO.. LOL Abo
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the preacher
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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Barack Obama said that
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weasle
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:55 pm |
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couldn,t be mcbush, them folks aint allowed to do anything for workin or poor people.
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empty
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:45 pm |
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Dave wrote: Vero Steve wrote:
Could it Be Hillary????????? Nope... hmmmm... how 'bout Nasty Esplosey?????????? 
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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Vero Steve wrote:
Could it Be Hillary????????? Nope...
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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| Could it Be Hillary?????????
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 02:39 pm |
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Anyone wanna take a guess as to who this article is about?
I've intentionally "X'd out" the name and political party...
XXXXX calls for $1,000 energy rebate
By Mike Glover The Associated Press
Article Launched: 08/01/2008 09:56:51 AM PDT
XXXXX presidential candidate Sen. Barack XXXXX, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (The Associated Press)
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP)- XXXXX presidential candidate XXXXX on Friday called for a $1,000 "emergency" rebate to consumers to offset soaring energy costs amid fresh signs of a struggling economy with the nation's unemployment rate climbing to a four-year high.
XXXXX told a town-hall meeting the rebate would be financed with a windfall profits tax on the oil industry.
"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," XXXXX said in the crucial swing state of Florida.
XXXXX had earlier said the rebates should be part of a larger tax relief package. But now he says the slumping economy demands they be put in place immediately.
XXXXX's remarks coincide with news that the unemployment rate climbed to a four-year high of 5.7 percent in July as employers cut 51,000 jobs, dashing the hopes of an influx of young people looking for summer work. Payroll cuts weren't as deep as the 72,000 predicted by economists, however. And, job losses for both May and June were smaller than previously reported.
July's reductions marked the seventh straight month where employers eliminated jobs. The economy has lost a total of 463,00 jobs so far this year.
"We can either choose a new direction for our economy, or we can keep doing what we've been doing," XXXXX said.
During his speech, XXXXX was interrupted by three men who stood up with a banner asking, "What about the black community,
XXXXX?" Many in the crowd began chanting, "Yes, we can," the XXXXX campaign mantra to counter the criticism.
XXXXX told the three that they would have a chance to ask questions after he had his opportunity to speak. A town-hall organizer later took the banner from the three.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10067025
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the preacher
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 07:11 pm |
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marc..yer right...and too bad the strong ain't gonna be the ones in charge...
ROFLMBO...
RSDF
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marc
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 01:57 pm |
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Mikey wrote: Abo wrote: Hey Y'all.. ITS OUR FAULT...No President did this to us, WE did.. "THE MEEK WILL NOT INHERIT THE EARTH", look around ya.. Sorry for the reality check..Of course JMHO.. Abo You hit it on the head. I know we had that discussion before..and it is the truth. WE have the power to change...we are all just too damn lazy and selfish. JMHO Agreed...Were in for a very rough ride...Only the strong will survive...
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Mikey
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 01:50 pm |
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Abo wrote: Hey Y'all.. ITS OUR FAULT...No President did this to us, WE did.. "THE MEEK WILL NOT INHERIT THE EARTH", look around ya.. Sorry for the reality check..Of course JMHO.. Abo You hit it on the head. I know we had that discussion before..and it is the truth. WE have the power to change...we are all just too damn lazy and selfish. JMHO
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Abo
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 01:48 pm |
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| Hey Y'all.. ITS OUR FAULT...No President did this to us, WE did.. "THE MEEK WILL NOT INHERIT THE EARTH", look around ya.. Sorry for the reality check..Of course JMHO.. Abo
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the preacher
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 08:31 am |
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Fritz:
Ok, I give up, you win, you have completely gotten me with that last post.
Never mind, you're right, I have no idea whatsever.
end of posts.
re: empty and randy...look back...wasn't arguing, least I didn't think I was.
was talking to Dave about proper tire pressure and....ROFLMBO
RSDF
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