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marc
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 03:38 pm |
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Dave wrote: Finally!!
This should be interesting. I know a lot of people are waiting to hear the outcome.
Supreme Court To Rule On D.C. Gun Law
The U.S. Supreme Court is meeting Thursday to issue its final three opinions of the term, including defining Americans' right to own guns.
The challenge to the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., is the biggest case left on the court's docket. It also is expected to resolve disputes over a campaign finance law and contracts negotiated during the Western energy crisis in 2001.
The justices won't return to the bench until Oct. 6, the start of their next term.
http://www.knbc.com/politics/16715457/detail.html
I believe...Guns don't kill people...People kill people...We have the right to own guns for pleasure and/or protection...I have no problem with gun registration or reasonable waiting periods for background checks after the purchase of any gun...JMHO...
Here is the decision...
Supreme Court says Americans have right to guns
By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer 9 minutes ago
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.
The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.
The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.
Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.
The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns.
In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."
He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."
Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."
Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.
Gun rights supporters hailed the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.
The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several of its suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, criticized the ruling. "I believe the people of this great country will be less safe because of it," she said.
The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.
Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the District after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home for protection in the same Capitol Hill neighborhood as the court.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down Washington's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and that a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.
The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.
Scalia said nothing in Thursday's ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."
In a concluding paragraph to the his 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."
The law adopted by Washington's city council in 1976 bars residents from owning handguns unless they had one before the law took effect. Shotguns and rifles may be kept in homes, if they are registered, kept unloaded and either disassembled or equipped with trigger locks.
Opponents of the law have said it prevents residents from defending themselves. The Washington government says no one would be prosecuted for a gun law violation in cases of self-defense.
The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars disagree over what that case means but agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.
Forty-four state constitutions contain some form of gun rights, which are not affected by the court's consideration of Washington's restrictions.
The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290
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marc
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 03:26 pm |
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George W. Bush Sewage Plant...I can't think of a more deserving person...
How perfect is this? LOL...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25rename.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 01:21 pm |
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Finally!!
This should be interesting. I know a lot of people are waiting to hear the outcome.
Supreme Court To Rule On D.C. Gun Law
The U.S. Supreme Court is meeting Thursday to issue its final three opinions of the term, including defining Americans' right to own guns.
The challenge to the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., is the biggest case left on the court's docket. It also is expected to resolve disputes over a campaign finance law and contracts negotiated during the Western energy crisis in 2001.
The justices won't return to the bench until Oct. 6, the start of their next term.
http://www.knbc.com/politics/16715457/detail.html
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 12:50 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote: A lttle Croc wanders into an Australian tavern last Sunday...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/26/australia.crocodile.pub/index.html
Be good eatin? LOL!!
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Dave
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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If you only read the headline, you have to wonder what he was shot with?
Officer Shot Responding To Indecent Exposure Call
June 22, 2008
A police officer was reportedly shot in the leg Sunday while responding to an indecent exposure call at an Anaheim hotel, according to officials.
It is not clear if the suspect in the indecent exposure call was also the person who shot the officer, according to Anaheim Sgt. Rick Martinez.
Two officers were dispatched to the Best Western Raffles Inn at 2040 S. Harbor Blvd. early Sunday morning.
Just after 8 a.m., the was a report of a man exposing himself outside that hotel.
Martinez said officers arrived and encountered the suspect as he was entering his car. "At some point", Martinez adds, "shots were fired. And one of the officers sustained a gunshot wound to the leg."
The suspect fled the scene and remains at-large.
Police are investigating the incident.
http://cbs2.com/local/Officer.Cop.Anaheim.2.754142.html
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marc
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:17 pm |
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"Texas Bar Sues Church"
In a small Texas town, (Mt. Vernon), Drummond's Bar began construction on a new building to increase their business. The local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground.
The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means. The church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise in its reply to the court.
As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork. At the hearing he commented, 'I don't know how I'm going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not.
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the preacher
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 06:28 pm |
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re: manual mower
I have been using one of those for years. In NH until I got my lawn tractor up there, (didnt have room in the truck when we left here, someone else coming up brought it) I mowed a couple of acres with one of them. (didnt like it much, but didnt have a choice) lol
Here, only have a small lawn, takes about an hour...nicest thing is, no noise, no gas, no "why won't this *#$)*@ thing start THIS time?" lol Not like the old ones when I was a kid. light and quiet, like that article says.
RSDF
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marc
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 05:44 pm |
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No Thanx...
High gasoline prices changing lawn-mowing habits
By JAMES HANNAH, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 53 minutes ago
When Eric King moved from his apartment in Pittsburgh to a single-family home with a lawn, he bought a manual lawn mower instead of the usual gas-powered kind. He figures he's putting money in his pocket and saving trips to the filling station.
He's got plenty of company. Sales of manual — or push reel — mowers with the cartwheeling blades are on the rise this year. Officials attribute the surge to increased environmental concerns because of emissions from gas-powered mowers, the faltering economy that makes the generally less expensive push reels more attractive, and $4-a-gallon gasoline.
"With the way gas prices are going through the roof and are going to stay there or increase even further, that was the main reason I considered one," said King, 29. "I don't consider myself an environmentalist; I consider myself an economist."
American Lawn Mower Co., a Shelbyville, Ind., manufacturer of manual and electric lawnmowers, says sales are up 60 percent to 70 percent over last year.
"It's unbelievable," said Teri McClain, inside sales administrator. "I think gas prices are playing a part in this."
McClain estimates that about 300,000 push reel mowers are sold annually in the United States. That's about the same number of electric mowers that are sold. Though growing, sales of both still are dwarfed by the roughly 6 million typical gas-powered, walk-behind mowers purchased every year.
Push reel mowers have evolved from those heavy iron beasts of the past into lighter (19 to 34 pounds), easier-to-push models with widths up to 20 inches and cutting heights that can be adjusted quickly. Accessories include grass catchers and sharpening kits.
Prices for push reel mowers usually range from nearly $100 to $250. A sampling of Web sites show electric mowers selling for about $145 to $430. Walk-behind gasoline-powered mowers usually cost $150 to $400. The non-riding, self-propelled variety can go from $200 to $900.
Clean Air Gardening, a Dallas, Texas, retailer that sells push reel and electric lawn mowers as well as composters, rain barrels and organic fertilizers, said sales are up 27 percent this year, while sales of electric mowers made by Towson, Md.-based Black & Decker Corp. have increased more than 20 percent this year.
"We're not keeping up with the demand," said Joseph Newland, group product manager for the company's outdoor division.
People Powered Machines, an Ipswich, Mass.-based Internet store, has seen a 25 percent rise in the sale of push reel and electric lawn mowers so far this year.
"The increasing price of gasoline is one of the bigger factors," said spokesman David Temple.
At Remington Power Tools, based in Bowling Green, Ky., which began selling electric lawn mowers this year, customers giving their reasons for buying an electric mower often end with the words: "And with gas prices, it only makes sense," spokesman Alex Wrinkles said.
Lars Hundley, Clean Air's owner and president, said sales of electric mowers are much stronger, in part because he has begun carrying several new cordless models. He said lawnmower cords can be a "deal killer" for some customers.
Hundley said female customers seem to prefer push reel or electric mowers. They dislike the noise of gas-powered mowers and the cord-pulling required to start them, he said.
Kris Kiser, spokesman for the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute, acknowledges that sales of gas-powered mowers were down slightly in May compared with a year earlier, but attributes that to a decline in housing starts and last year's drought in the Southeast.
Kiser does not believe high gasoline prices will cause a significant reduction in the sale of gas-powered mowers. According to the institute, the average homeowner uses only five to six gallons of gasoline a year to mow a quarter-acre lot.
Lawnmower and landscaping equipment company Toro declined to say how sales of its gas-powered mowers were faring. But spokesman John Wright said the faltering economy and the cool, wet spring that delayed lawn mowing is probably having a bigger effect than high gas prices.
"For the average homeowner, putting a little gas in their mower is not going to be a big deal," Wright said.
Instead of trading in gasoline mowers, other people have opted to cut back on how often they cut their grass.
Randall Fullam now mows his lawn in the Dayton suburb of Riverside once a week instead of twice, primarily as a symbolic gesture to protest U.S. dependence on foreign oil since he estimates it will save him only about $14 a year. Fullam takes pride in his lawn and thinks mowing it twice a week kept it looking good.
"Now, we're waiting until the weekend and mowing it just once," said Fullam, 53. "The downside is when the grass comes blowing out from the mower it's a lot thicker. It tends to leave a lot more cut grass, clippings."
In King's neighborhood, his push reel mower has become an instant hit. One neighbor told him she is buying one for herself and for her father. Other neighbors and passers-by can't resist trying the mower out.
"The way people are reacting you'd think it was the newest technology," he said. "They end up mowing half of my yard for me."
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 04:33 pm |
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Friend of mine Old Glen took off for Sue Falls Iowa a few days ago with his girlfriend, his wife knows about it so its ok.. LOL! to pick up a side car for her Fat Boy. I told Glen to pack along a life-jacket in his saddlebag..... 
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 04:05 pm |
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marc wrote: Damn...That sux...Why would they listen to FEMA or any Guberment organization like that...I just do not trust them...JMHO... Yeah really, especially after the New Orleans disaster!
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marc
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 01:27 pm |
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Would hate to be in some of these folk's boat...... Few has flood insurance..
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/midwest-flood-victims-feel-misled/20080620063909990001?icid=100214839x1204199287x1200178939
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Dave
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 11:17 am |
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Mikey wrote:
Dave wrote: I agree 100-percent Mikey...
Problem is, We ain't a "Right to Carry" state. Our law says "may" issue, not "shall" issue. You apply to the local PD or County Sheriff for a permit. They can do what they want basically.
Based on this, Orange County is pretty large and they've issued less than 1300 permits. So, you can see what is happening. Los Angeles County is probably twice the size and there are less than 600 permits... Somewhere there has to be what they consider grounds for revoking a permit. I cannot believe they can do it on a whim..ok ..well maybe I can..but still..some kind of "law" has to be in effect. I wish your State luck. The more I read about the gun control going on there..the less I think it is part of the US anymore. JMHO No Shit!!!
I completely agree!!!
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Mikey
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 11:00 am |
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Dave wrote: I agree 100-percent Mikey...
Problem is, We ain't a "Right to Carry" state. Our law says "may" issue, not "shall" issue. You apply to the local PD or County Sheriff for a permit. They can do what they want basically.
Based on this, Orange County is pretty large and they've issued less than 1300 permits. So, you can see what is happening. Los Angeles County is probably twice the size and there are less than 600 permits... Somewhere there has to be what they consider grounds for revoking a permit. I cannot believe they can do it on a whim..ok ..well maybe I can..but still..some kind of "law" has to be in effect. I wish your State luck. The more I read about the gun control going on there..the less I think it is part of the US anymore. JMHO
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Dave
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 10:20 am |
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I agree 100-percent Mikey...
Problem is, We ain't a "Right to Carry" state. Our law says "may" issue, not "shall" issue. You apply to the local PD or County Sheriff for a permit. They can do what they want basically.
Based on this, Orange County is pretty large and they've issued less than 1300 permits. So, you can see what is happening. Los Angeles County is probably twice the size and there are less than 600 permits...
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Mikey
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 09:24 pm |
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Dave wrote: What a crock of shit! She needs to prove a legal reason why they shouldn't have a permit!
New OC Sheriff To Review All Concealed-Weapons Permits
SANTA ANA, Calif. -- Newly appointed Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens says she intends to review all the concealed-weapons permits her indicted predecessor issued and revoke those of gun owners who can't prove a legal need to carry the weapons, it was reported Wednesday.
Sheriff Michael S. Carona, who resigned in January to focus on his upcoming federal corruption trial, had issued more than 1,100 active carry permits -- among the most issued by any sheriff or police chief in the state, according to the Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, by contrast, has issued fewer than 400.
Many were issued to traditional holders: judges, prosecutors, jewelers or others whose occupation leaves them in fear for their safety. But others included wealthy white-collar businessmen, doctors, dentists, Republican party activists and financial contributors to Carona's political campaigns, The Times reported.
In its October indictment, a federal grand jury accused Carona of having issued a concealed-weapons permit to a businessman who had previously been convicted of unlawfully possessing a concealed weapon.
Hutchens said yesterday in remarks reported by The Times that she intends to review each permit and determine whether the gun owners demonstrated an immediate fear for their safety or held an occupation so inherently dangerous that they needed to carry concealed weapons in public.
"The important thing to me is they need to have demonstrated a need," Hutchens said, according to The Times. And if there's no need, she'll revoke the permits. "That's probably not going to be popular with a lot of people," she said.
http://www.knbc.com/politics/16643951/detail.html I smell lawsuit. If someone passes the criteria for a permit, and obtains it legally..I don't see how Ms. Fuzz can decide that they are unfit or their need is of less importance. Bullshit totally. I hope anyone affected stands up and fights like hell
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 08:21 pm |
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What a crock of shit! She needs to prove a legal reason why they shouldn't have a permit!
New OC Sheriff To Review All Concealed-Weapons Permits
SANTA ANA, Calif. -- Newly appointed Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens says she intends to review all the concealed-weapons permits her indicted predecessor issued and revoke those of gun owners who can't prove a legal need to carry the weapons, it was reported Wednesday.
Sheriff Michael S. Carona, who resigned in January to focus on his upcoming federal corruption trial, had issued more than 1,100 active carry permits -- among the most issued by any sheriff or police chief in the state, according to the Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, by contrast, has issued fewer than 400.
Many were issued to traditional holders: judges, prosecutors, jewelers or others whose occupation leaves them in fear for their safety. But others included wealthy white-collar businessmen, doctors, dentists, Republican party activists and financial contributors to Carona's political campaigns, The Times reported.
In its October indictment, a federal grand jury accused Carona of having issued a concealed-weapons permit to a businessman who had previously been convicted of unlawfully possessing a concealed weapon.
Hutchens said yesterday in remarks reported by The Times that she intends to review each permit and determine whether the gun owners demonstrated an immediate fear for their safety or held an occupation so inherently dangerous that they needed to carry concealed weapons in public.
"The important thing to me is they need to have demonstrated a need," Hutchens said, according to The Times. And if there's no need, she'll revoke the permits. "That's probably not going to be popular with a lot of people," she said.
http://www.knbc.com/politics/16643951/detail.html
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 01:50 pm |
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marc wrote:
I'm sure there are other towns that would like the revenue generated by bikers...
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/story/491755.html
Guess that some people don't appreciate the noise, traffic, crowds and money generated by the bikers...
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marc
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 12:04 pm |
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I'm sure there are other towns that would like the revenue generated by bikers...
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/story/491755.html
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marc
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 11:46 am |
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Better late than never...Can't believe they did not do this long ago...Have you seen all the unsold SUV's and trucks out there?
GM puts brakes on SUV, truck redesigns: report
Thu Jun 19, 1:34 AM ET
General Motors Corp (GM.N) is postponing redesigning its SUVs and full-sized trucks as it shifts its product portfolio toward more fuel-efficient vehicles, the Wall Street Journal reported in its online edition on Thursday.
GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson told the newspaper the car maker was "looking at the whole product portfolio," and deciding how to supply the U.S. market with more fuel-efficient cars.
GM will extend the life cycle of its current line-up of pickup trucks and SUVs, including the Cadillac Escalade SUV and the Chevrolet Silverado pickup.
New designs of GM trucks and SUVs had not been expected to be released until at least 2012, the newspaper said.
GM also has considered cancelling one future Hummer SUV product and shutting down another brand, the paper said, citing people briefed on its strategy.
Shares in automakers stumbled on Wednesday as investors reacted to a further slowdown in June auto sales and uncertainty about when the industry will bottom.
Consumers have pulled back on auto purchases -- especially larger SUVs and trucks -- as U.S. gasoline prices moved above $4 per gallon.
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