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Mikey
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 07:00 pm |
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Eminem Music Allegedly Used As U.S. Torture Device
POSTED: 11:04 am CST December 19, 2005
KABUL, Afghanistan -- A human rights group is alleging the United States operated a secret prison near Afghanistan's capital as recently as last year.
The group claims that music by Eminem and Dr. Dre were used as instruments of torture.
New York-based Human Rights Watch has issued a report saying the United States operated a secret prison in Afghanistan and tortured detainees. The report quoted an Ethiopian-born detainee as saying he was kept in a pitch-black prison and forced to listen to Eminem and Dr. Dre’s rap music for 20 days before the music was replaced by "horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds."
The report said detainees at the facility -- known as "Dark Prison" -- were deprived of sleep, chained to walls and forced to listen to loud music in total darkness for days.
The group said its report is based on the accounts of several detainees at the U.S. prison for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay. Human Rights Watch hasn't been allowed to speak with the detainees directly, but said it obtained the detainees' accounts from their lawyers.
The group said the allegations are credible enough to warrant an official investigation.
American officials say the United States doesn't engage in torture. CIA officials have no commented on the allegations.
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empty
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 05:29 pm |
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Dave wrote: Dave wrote:
Talk about a screwed up way of thinking....
'Tookie' Williams To Be Memorialized In LA Tuesday
I'm waiting for his last book, "Tookie Takes a Dirt Nap" I don't care who ya are: That's funny right there!
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 05:21 pm |
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Dave wrote:
Talk about a screwed up way of thinking....
'Tookie' Williams To Be Memorialized In LA Tuesday
I'm waiting for his last book, "Tookie Takes a Dirt Nap"
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zippo
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 04:45 pm |
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empty wrote: zippo wrote: You know, if the frickin phone calls were international maybe its a gray area. Personally, I don't have an issue with it as long as one end is foreign.
If it is true that this is an issue over foreign calls only, I feel a slight bit relieved ...though it doesn't say that.
The quote that bothered me was;
The president had harsh words for those who revealed the program to the media, saying they acted improperly and illegally. The surveillance was first disclosed in Friday's New York Times.
I heard excerpts from W's speach this morning and he said concerning the NYTimes disclosing the information that as an example in the late 1990's a paper reported we were following OBL because of a certain cell phone he was using. Once it was exposed of course OBL changed communication methods.
Yes, I read the foreign connection in a nother paper, I wouldn't expect the NY Times to report that.
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Randy in Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 04:20 pm |
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Dave wrote: Talk about a screwed up way of thinking....
'Tookie' Williams To Be Memorialized In LA Tuesday
Williams' friend, Barbara Becnel, who edited the children's books he authored from prison, is expected to attend the service, as will the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam, rapper Snoop Dogg and Bruce Gordon, executive director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME TO HAVE A SUICIDE BOMBER SHOW UP, ITS THERE.........
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 04:17 pm |
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Motorcyclist Fleeing CHP Killed In High-Speed Crash
POSTED: 8:09 am PST December 19, 2005
LA TUNA CANYON, Calif. -- A motorcyclist was killed early Monday when he crashed while being chased by California Highway Patrol officers, authorities said.
The 19-year-old Tujunga man died at the scene of the crash, which occurred at about 12:45 a.m. on La Tuna Canyon Road, west of Ledge Avenue, said CHP Sgt. K.J. Olson. Authorities withheld his name, pending family notification.
A CHP officer saw the 2003 Honda CBR600 motorcycle on the westbound Foothill (210) Freeway and tried to pull it over, but the rider kept going, Olson said.
"At times, the motorcycle was well in excess of 100 mph, and the CHP unit was unable to overtake and stop the motorcycle," Olson said.
"A short time later, the CHP unit spotted the motorcycle westbound on La Tuna Canyon road, again at a high rate of speed," Olson said.
"The CHP unit initiated an enforcement stop. The motorcyclist rapidly accelerated and left the CHP unit behind," Olson said. "The CHP unit quickly lost sight of the motorcycle.
"After rounding a curve west of Ledge Avenue, the CHP unit saw the motorcycle had been involved in a solo traffic collision, resulting in fatal injuries to the rider," Olson said.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 04:15 pm |
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Talk about a screwed up way of thinking....
'Tookie' Williams To Be Memorialized In LA Tuesday
POSTED: 8:12 am PST December 19, 2005
LOS ANGELES -- A public viewing will take place Monday for Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the convicted multiple murderer executed at San Quentin State Prison last week.
The 51-year-old Williams, who co-founded the Crips gang but advocated against gang life after he was sent to prison, was put to death by lethal injection Dec. 13 after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger refused to commute his sentence.
The governor cited Williams' failure to admit to the four 1979 robbery slayings for which he was convicted and express remorse. Williams argued he was innocent of the killings.
A memorial service for Williams will take place Tuesday at Bethel A.M.E church at 7900 S. Western Avenue in Los Angeles, beginning at noon.
Williams' friend, Barbara Becnel, who edited the children's books he authored from prison, is expected to attend the service, as will the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam, rapper Snoop Dogg and Bruce Gordon, executive director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Williams was sentenced to death in 1981 after he was found guilty of murdering four people two years earlier.
He was convicted of fatally shooting Albert Owens during a February 1979 robbery at a 7-Eleven in Pico Rivera and of murdering South Los Angeles motel owners Yen-I Yang and Tsai-Shai Chen Yang and their daughter, Yu Chin Yang Lin, a month later.
While behind bars, Williams crusaded against gangs and authored several children's books. His efforts earned him Nobel Prize nominations -- for peace and in literature -- but he was never a finalist for the honor.
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/5576530/detail.html
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empty
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 04:04 pm |
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zippo wrote: You know, if the frickin phone calls were international maybe its a gray area. Personally, I don't have an issue with it as long as one end is foreign.
If it is true that this is an issue over foreign calls only, I feel a slight bit relieved ...though it doesn't say that.
The quote that bothered me was;
The president had harsh words for those who revealed the program to the media, saying they acted improperly and illegally. The surveillance was first disclosed in Friday's New York Times.
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zippo
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 03:09 pm |
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| You know, if the frickin phone calls were international maybe its a gray area. Personally, I don't have an issue with it as long as one end is foreign.
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 01:42 pm |
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| Remember Weasle Clinton didn't get impeached for getting the blow job, he got impeached for lying about it....................
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 01:22 pm |
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weasle wrote:
bullshit is right ,clinton gets a blow job and they try to impeach him , this clown violates a federal law and congress is gonna investigate?? GEEZE!!!.
"Try" Weasle? They did impeach him. Just didn't convict him. Clinton finished his term in office...
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weasle
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 01:13 pm |
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| bullshit is right ,clinton gets a blow job and they try to impeach him , this clown violates a federal law and congress is gonna investigate?? GEEZE!!!.
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2005 12:57 pm |
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| Package it anyway you what but it still smells like bullshit.........
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Randy in Pensacola
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Posted: Sun Dec 18th, 2005 02:53 am |
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marc wrote: Fuck Him...
Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
didnt they say the same thing about the atomic bomb?????
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Dave
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Posted: Sun Dec 18th, 2005 12:49 am |
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One bright spot for the White House was a new poll showing that a strong majority of Americans oppose, as does Bush and most lawmakers, an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. The AP-Ipsos poll found 57 percent of those surveyed said the U.S. military should stay until Iraq is stabilized.
Whew, just when we thought it was all gonna be bad news...
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marc
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Posted: Sun Dec 18th, 2005 12:11 am |
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Fuck Him...
Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
Facing angry criticism and challenges to his authority in Congress, President Bush on Saturday unapologetically defended his administration's right to conduct secret post-Sept. 11 spying in the United States as "critical to saving American lives."
Bush said congressional leaders had been briefed on the operation more than a dozen times. That included Democrats as well as Republicans in the House and Senate, a GOP lawmaker said.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she had been told on several occasions that Bush had authorized unspecified activities by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest spy agency. She said she had expressed strong concerns at the time, and that Bush's statement Saturday "raises serious questions as to what the activities were and whether the activities were lawful."
Often appearing angry in an eight-minute address, the president made clear he has no intention of halting his authorizations of the monitoring activities and said public disclosure of the program by the news media had endangered Americans.
Bush's willingness to publicly acknowledge a highly classified spying program was a stunning development for a president known to dislike disclosure of even the most mundane inner workings of his White House. Just a day earlier he had refused to talk about it.
Since October 2001, the super-secret National Security Agency has eavesdropped on the international phone calls and e-mails of people inside the United States without court-approved warrants. Bush said steps like these would help fight terrorists like those who involved in the Sept. 11 plot.
"The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time," Bush said. "And the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad."
News of the program came at a particularly damaging and delicate time.
Already, the administration was under fire for allegedly operating secret prisons in Eastern Europe and shipping suspected terrorists to other countries for harsh interrogations.
The NSA program's existence surfaced as Bush was fighting to save the expiring provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the domestic anti-terrorism law enacted after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Democrats and a few Republicans who say the law gives so much latitude to law enforcement officials that it threatens Americans' constitutional liberties succeeded Friday in stalling its renewal.
So Bush scrapped the version of his weekly radio address that he had already taped — on the recent elections in Iraq — and delivered a live speech from the Roosevelt Room in which he lashed out at the senators blocking the Patriot Act as irresponsible and confirmed the NSA program.
Bush said his authority to approve what he called a "vital tool in our war against the terrorists" came from his constitutional powers as commander in chief. He said that he has personally signed off on reauthorizations more than 30 times.
"The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties," Bush said. "And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the president of the United States."
James Bamford, author of two books on the NSA, said the program could be problematic because it bypasses a special court set up by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to authorize eavesdropping on suspected terrorists.
"I didn't hear him specify any legal right, except his right as president, which in a democracy doesn't make much sense," Bamford said in an interview. "Today, what Bush said is he went around the law, which is a violation of the law — which is illegal."
Retired Adm. Bobby Inman, who led the NSA from 1977 to 1981, said Bush's authorization of the eavesdropping would have been justified in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks "because at that point you couldn't get a court warrant unless you could show probable cause."
"Once the Patriot Act was in place, I am puzzled what was the need to continue outside the court," Inman added. But he said, "If the fact is valid that Congress was notified, there will be no consequences."
Susan Low Bloch, a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University Law Center, said Bush was "taking a hugely expansive interpretation of the Constitution and the president's powers under the Constitution.
That view was echoed by congressional Democrats.
"I tell you, he's President George Bush, not King George Bush. This is not the system of government we have and that we fought for," Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., told The Associated Press.
Added Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt.: "The Bush administration seems to believe it is above the law."
Bush defended the program as narrowly designed and used "consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution." He said it is employed only to intercept the international communications of people inside the U.S. who have been determined to have "a clear link" to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations.
Government officials have refused to provide details, including defining the standards used to establish such a link or saying how many people are being monitored.
The program is reviewed every 45 days, using fresh threat assessments, legal reviews, and information from previous activities under the program, the president said. Intelligence officials involved in the monitoring receive extensive training in civil liberties, he said.
Bush said leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times. Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., told House Republicans that those informed were the top Republican and Democratic leaders of the House and Senate and of each chamber's intelligence committees. "They've been through the whole thing," Hoekstra said.
The president had harsh words for those who revealed the program to the media, saying they acted improperly and illegally. The surveillance was first disclosed in Friday's New York Times.
"As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have," Bush said. "The unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk."
Bush has more to worry about on Capitol Hill than his difficulties with the Patriot Act. Lawmakers have begun challenging Bush on his Iraq policy, reflecting polling that shows half of the country is not behind him on the war.
On Sunday, the president was continuing his effort to reverse that by giving his fifth major speech in less than three weeks on Iraq.
One bright spot for the White House was a new poll showing that a strong majority of Americans oppose, as does Bush and most lawmakers, an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. The AP-Ipsos poll found 57 percent of those surveyed said the U.S. military should stay until Iraq is stabilized.
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Dave
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Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2005 07:28 pm |
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Animal Rights Activists To Face Criminal Charges
LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles city attorney is preparing to file criminal conspiracy charges against a number of animal rights activists.
Rocky Delgadillo will announce the charges Friday afternoon.
Delgadillo's staff said the activists have been inciting followers by posting personal information about Department of Animal Services employees on their Web site.
The employees say they've been harrassed both at work and at home.
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa this week fired the head of the Animal Services Department, something that had been advocated by animal rights activists.
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/5554211/detail.html
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Babe
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Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2005 06:27 pm |
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| Well now thats just mean! Leave some magic in a little kid's life! Jeeze!
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Randy in Pensacola
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Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2005 06:14 pm |
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First grade teacher tell students "There is no Santa"....I might have to go down a whoop her ass if she was my kids teacher......
http://www.wftv.com/news/5535703/detail.html?treets=orlc&tid=2655871537813&tml=orlc_strange&tmi=orlc_strange_1_10000212152005&ts=H
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marc
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Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2005 05:17 pm |
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Sounds like something the U.S. would do....
Official: Iraq Freed al-Zarqawi Last Year
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
Iraqi security forces caught terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the Fallujah area last year but released him because they didn't realize who he was, the deputy interior minister said in an interview broadcast Friday.
The deputy minister, Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal, told the Lebanese Broadcasting Corp., that Iraqi police "suspected this man" and detained him "along with other members" of his group.
"Afterward, he was released because we did not know the identity of this criminal," Kamal told LBC. The station said the remarks were made Wednesday but were aired Friday.
"He was not armed," Kamal said. "He was like any other citizen who was suspected. There was a simple interrogation with him and he was released."
Kamal said the incident occurred "about a year ago, approximately." U.S. forces overran Fallujah in November 2004, ending domination of the city by insurgents and Islamic extremists, including al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq group.
Thousands of people were rounded up after the city fell. Most were interrogated and released.
CNN broadcast a similar report late Thursday, but it could not be confirmed. But a U.S. official said in Washington that American intelligence believed it was plausible. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in compliance with office policy.
There have been several reports of missed opportunities to capture al-Zarqawi, including an April 28 raid by U.S. forces acting on a tip from local informants that militants reportedly including the terror leader were hiding in a hospital in Ramadi.
Al-Qaida in Iraq and Iraqi officials also denied reports last month that al-Zarqawi was among those killed in a raid and gunfight in the northern city of Mosul.
Al-Zarqawi, who has claimed responsibility for several attacks in Iraq along with the kidnappings and beheadings of foreigners, has a $25 million bounty on his head.
He also drew criticism in his home country of Jordan after his insurgent group claimed responsibility for the deadly Nov. 9 attacks on hotels in Amman.
Jordan sentenced al-Zarqawi to death in absentia for planning a terror plot that led to the 2002 killing of U.S. aid worker Laurence Foley. He has claimed responsibility for several other plots in Jordan, including a foiled April 2004 chemical attack.
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