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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:50 pm |
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Dave wrote: jeffy ole boy wrote:
Dave wrote: Years ago Jeff, I had a 1980 Suzuki GS1100 that had mag wheels on it, tubeless tires too. Previous owner had put tubes in the tires. I didn't know it, he never mentioned it to me.
Found out one day when I had a flat and tried to do fix it just "good enough" to get home from work... Yeah I guess some people think a tube is added insurance against a blow out. Maybe it would it be if running an old ragedy tire that's weather checked and cracked, ect....? LOL...
If you're runnin' an old raggedy, weather checked tire and put it tube in it, it would be just as easy to replace the tire! A lot safer too!! I agree totally, but its amazing what some people will do to get by...... lol
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:29 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote:
Dave wrote: Years ago Jeff, I had a 1980 Suzuki GS1100 that had mag wheels on it, tubeless tires too. Previous owner had put tubes in the tires. I didn't know it, he never mentioned it to me.
Found out one day when I had a flat and tried to do fix it just "good enough" to get home from work... Yeah I guess some people think a tube is added insurance against a blow out. Maybe it would it be if running an old ragedy tire that's weather checked and cracked, ect....? LOL...
If you're runnin' an old raggedy, weather checked tire and put it tube in it, it would be just as easy to replace the tire! A lot safer too!!
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:12 pm |
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Dave wrote: Years ago Jeff, I had a 1980 Suzuki GS1100 that had mag wheels on it, tubeless tires too. Previous owner had put tubes in the tires. I didn't know it, he never mentioned it to me.
Found out one day when I had a flat and tried to do fix it just "good enough" to get home from work... Yeah I guess some people think a tube is added insurance against a blow out. Maybe it would it be if running an old ragedy tire that's weather checked and cracked, ect....?
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:11 am |
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Years ago Jeff, I had a 1980 Suzuki GS1100 that had mag wheels on it, tubeless tires too. Previous owner had put tubes in the tires. I didn't know it, he never mentioned it to me.
Found out one day when I had a flat and tried to do fix it just "good enough" to get home from work...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 12:41 pm |
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Jeffy wrote: Glad to hear you found the problem Dave.... You sure named this topic correctly... "Weird Problem" lol, that a tube was put in a mag wheel to begin with.
Dave wrote:
Ok, this is sorta long. But, I got it sorted out...
Like I mentioned, I put the bike up on the jack Thursday and got it running. In first gear, I thought it was gonna jump off the jack it was bouncing so bad. So, I pulled the rear wheel and looked it over pretty good and didn't see anything real obvious. But, I'm limited on what I can do at home. So, it sat until Saturday (yesterday)
Spent the day in the shop with the local indy and his best wrench. The wheel-bearings and internal spacer had too much slop in it. So, pulled the seals and bearings, reset the preload and got the excess slop out of the hub.
Put it on a truing stand and "attempted" to balance it. Took 10 ounces of weight to get sort of close!
Knew that wasn't right. Started inspecting the bearing races and one of them looked like it might have a crack in it. Pulled the races and one was bad. But, it wasn't crack. It had a bad spot in it that you could catch your finger-nail on.
New bearing races went in it. Reset the spacing in the bearings, etc...
Still couldn't get it to balance. But, I know I've got good bearings and races. The spacing is correct, etc.
I told him that the tire only had about 5,000 miles on it. Cheap-Assed Chinese Dunlop knock-off. Lets break it loose and see if there's something fucked up inside.
Ok, so over to the tire machine. This is a mag with a tubeless tire, ok?
Start talking about it and I don't have the stuff to break down a tubeless tire. But, I had a leaking valve-stem in the rear. Had them fix it about a month ago. (He remembered doing the work) Mentioned that he noticed that someone had used a weird valve stem. Like they had cut the valve out of a tube, used the nut to hold it all in place. He replaced it with a regular tubeless valve stem and it was fixed. He just broke the bead on one side and put in the valve-stem without looking any deeper.
Anyway, we broke the tire loose and there's a damned tube inside! WTF? It was "broken" or torn in half. Guess it was balling up in one area of the tire and was moving. Putting the weight in different spots every time we'd check it.
Pulled the tube out, checked for more crap inside, put it all back together, back on the truing stand. No weights and it balanced out almost perfect.
Still have no idea why a tube was inside there. Maybe a slow leak when they put the tire on. I have no idea. Don't even know who put that tire on anymore.
But, I've got new bearings, races, seals and a good balance on the rear tire.
Cost me parts only and the price of a 6-pack, out the door for $40.00...
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Dave
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 11:14 am |
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Ok, this is sorta long. But, I got it sorted out...
Like I mentioned, I put the bike up on the jack Thursday and got it running. In first gear, I thought it was gonna jump off the jack it was bouncing so bad. So, I pulled the rear wheel and looked it over pretty good and didn't see anything real obvious. But, I'm limited on what I can do at home. So, it sat until Saturday (yesterday)
Spent the day in the shop with the local indy and his best wrench. The wheel-bearings and internal spacer had too much slop in it. So, pulled the seals and bearings, reset the preload and got the excess slop out of the hub.
Put it on a truing stand and "attempted" to balance it. Took 10 ounces of weight to get sort of close!
Knew that wasn't right. Started inspecting the bearing races and one of them looked like it might have a crack in it. Pulled the races and one was bad. But, it wasn't crack. It had a bad spot in it that you could catch your finger-nail on.
New bearing races went in it. Reset the spacing in the bearings, etc...
Still couldn't get it to balance. But, I know I've got good bearings and races. The spacing is correct, etc.
I told him that the tire only had about 5,000 miles on it. Cheap-Assed Chinese Dunlop knock-off. Lets break it loose and see if there's something fucked up inside.
Ok, so over to the tire machine. This is a mag with a tubeless tire, ok?
Start talking about it and I don't have the stuff to break down a tubeless tire. But, I had a leaking valve-stem in the rear. Had them fix it about a month ago. (He remembered doing the work) Mentioned that he noticed that someone had used a weird valve stem. Like they had cut the valve out of a tube, used the nut to hold it all in place. He replaced it with a regular tubeless valve stem and it was fixed. He just broke the bead on one side and put in the valve-stem without looking any deeper.
Anyway, we broke the tire loose and there's a damned tube inside! WTF? It was "broken" or torn in half. Guess it was balling up in one area of the tire and was moving. Putting the weight in different spots every time we'd check it.
Pulled the tube out, checked for more crap inside, put it all back together, back on the truing stand. No weights and it balanced out almost perfect.
Still have no idea why a tube was inside there. Maybe a slow leak when they put the tire on. I have no idea. Don't even know who put that tire on anymore.
But, I've got new bearings, races, seals and a good balance on the rear tire.
Cost me parts only and the price of a 6-pack, out the door for $40.00...
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote:
No doubt a bad tire then. Belt probably is broke or seperated what have ya... One of these days that FXR is going to be pretty much good as new huh Dave, LOL!! Everythings been replaced or updated.....
I'm just about there now...LOL...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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No doubt a bad tire then. Belt probably is broke or seperated what have ya... One of these days that FXR is going to be pretty much good as new huh Dave, LOL!! Everythings been replaced or updated.....
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 07:26 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote:
empty wrote: You should be able to find a bolt that is the same size as your axle, clamp it down in the vice with the wheel mounted on it, then spin it with a piece of chalk or something mounted further out on the bench to see if it is wheel or tire run out. I gotta a good used 16" Avon I'd give ya Dave you pay the shipping. Only problem its a front tire not a rear....... Thanks Jeff...
Front tire won't do me any good. It's the rear...LOL
Yeah Empty, that makes a lot of sense. Now, if I only had vise to work with. Hell, I ain't even really got a bench to work on. I have a folding table basically. It's a "Shop-Mate" with a 2-foot extension in the center.
Talked to Jose, said he'd put it in a truing stand and check it that way. I don't know though. This thing was hopping like the wheel was out of round.
But, it was only when I'd spin the tire pretty good. At least I was able to isolate it to the rear. Normally, when I would put it on the jack, engine running, bike in gear, I could spin it up pretty good without a problem, even able to get into second and give it some gas...
Not this time...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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empty wrote: You should be able to find a bolt that is the same size as your axle, clamp it down in the vice with the wheel mounted on it, then spin it with a piece of chalk or something mounted further out on the bench to see if it is wheel or tire run out. I gotta a good used 16" Avon I'd give ya Dave you pay the shipping. Only problem its a front tire not a rear.......
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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| You should be able to find a bolt that is the same size as your axle, clamp it down in the vice with the wheel mounted on it, then spin it with a piece of chalk or something mounted further out on the bench to see if it is wheel or tire run out.
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 04:39 pm |
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Ok, I finally got off my butt and got the bike on the jack this morning. (I took a vacation day today!)
Front wheel was real smooth...
The rear wheel looked like it was full of Mexican Jumping beans when I ran it up a little in first gear. Faster I got it going, the worse it bounced. I thought it was gonna bounce off the jack. In the past, I've done this and it has never bounced around like it did this morning.
But, the rear-wheel bearings feel real smooth.
I think that my problem is in the tire. Beginning to wonder if I have a belt inside the tire separating. Its a cheap-assed Chinese Dunlop knock-off...
Got the wheel/tire off the bike, gonna go have a talk with Jose today...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 03:43 pm |
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marc wrote: jeffy ole boy wrote: By the looks of the old fluid- I don't think it had ever been changed in 45,000. miles. Of course, there are air shocks front and rear on mine that you regulate as well. Yikes...Suppose to change it every 10,000 miles... Yeah, it may have been previously changed I have no way of knowing. It had 30,000 miles on it when I bought it last yr, the front end I noticed a few weeks ago seemed to have alot of travel up and down alerted me changing the fluid.
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marc
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:51 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote: By the looks of the old fluid- I don't think it had ever been changed in 45,000. miles. Of course, there are air shocks front and rear on mine that you regulate as well. Yikes...Suppose to change it every 10,000 miles...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:44 pm |
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| I just drained and added PJ-1 20wt. fork oil to my front end on the FL.... It Stiffined'er up quite abit.... Called fro 9.7 oz on each side according to the manual. By the looks of the old fluid- I don't think it had ever been changed in 45,000. miles. Of course, there are air shocks front and rear on mine that you regulate as well.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:27 pm |
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Hope that it is in the front end. I honestly have no idea which end was actually "hopping". Just know that when I got up over about 45mph, it felt like one of the clown cars with the axles not centered in the wheel.
Front end is due for some serious work. So, once I get it on the jack and run it with the back tire spinning, I'll hopefully be able to rule the rear-wheel/tire out...
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:08 pm |
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Dave The front brake pads won't make it hop, they will make it pull to one side or another and you would hear that rotor singing at you when it got hot. I would run through all the checks preacher talked about to make sure your front end isn't just worn out. I had a 93 FXR one a few weeks back that came in for the same hopping problem and he had no fork oil at all in the tubes. The head bearings were shot, the seals and bushings where worn out and the front wheel was out of true.......he decided to buy a new bike instead of paying me to fix it so I bought it from him. bike runs good but everything needs a good going over.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:21 am |
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I've got to get the bike up on the jack and do some checking.
Just put a new front tire on about a month ago. Has been fine up until now.
I'm in the same boat as Preacher. No one here to help out except the OL. So, This should make things "Interesting".
Drinking and Driving? Nope, I was on my way home from work. This didn't act up until then. I hadn't stopped at any bars either...LOL
I've got a lot of things to go over when I do get the bike on the jack, I've gotten a lot of ideas of what to check and adjust. The front end is due (over-due) for a good servicing and adjustment. Haven't done it in awhile. (Need to change engine oil too)
I do have front spokes. So, I'll check them out too. I haven't had a chance to mess with it. I talked to Preacher Saturday afternoon while on my way to a party and I was in no condition yesterday to mess with the bike...LOL...
Talked to another guy here locally though. Suggested that I spread the brake pads, (staying off the brakes) and take if for a ride to see what happens. It was in the triple-digits temp-wise Friday. He's thinkin' that maybe the brake fluid expanded or is not being completely relieve of the pressure. Grab-Go-Grab-Go...
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 12:37 am |
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I talked to Dave a little while ago, he said the wheel was hopping up and down like the wheels on a clown car at the circus...I guessed he has blown a wheel bearing, BUT, he does have a spoke wheel on the front...
RSDF
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GOC
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 11:43 pm |
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Don't drink and drive....it is better to drive while drinking. With one hand on a beer, your don't hear weird shit. Last time i had vibration it was a big wad of caulk that I must have drove over. I pulled over and yanked it off, and the vibration was gone.
Don't think and drive...just drive.
Maybe ya lost a balancing weight?
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