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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 07:05 pm |
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| Well gotta say you guys its good we have these discussions! Otherwise, I damn sure aint no expert on this.. It was something new that was brought to my attention by my mechanic and friend that installed my cams recently and he put one of these springs in his so I thought why not? But I respect highly you guys opinions and so he and I are going to have a serious talk about this and I will share with him what you all have shared with me. Thanks for all your input on this subject. I think if nothing else I may just watch how his motor performs and see if he developes any leaks and/or issues......
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marc
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 05:05 pm |
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empty wrote: jeffy ole boy wrote: weasle wrote: probably dont put them in at the factory cause they dont work much better than whats in their. hell jeff the guys sellin this product or any other aint gonna tell ya ya dont need it cause what ya got is fine. I don't know Weas.. I saw first hand last Saturday on my buds oil guage 32 pds idling after installing it. Just seems like running higher oil pressure should be better or a good thing. OH and this is a genuine Harley part.
If high return line pressure blows your skirt up, go for it, just don't be surprised to sometimes see your oil cap pop off. FYI...I have seen on another board where that has happened to a few people...To much pressure...On my 99 and now on my 04 I have little to no pressure at idle but as soon as I start to move it jumps up to 32...That is just the nature of the TC Beast...
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weasle
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:57 pm |
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lmao at empty , hell if ya want more oil pressure add a extra quart of oil , we all know what that does to the gaskets. would think higher pressure from a pump would sooner or later have the same effect. but what the hell its yer nickel .
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empty
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:52 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote: weasle wrote: probably dont put them in at the factory cause they dont work much better than whats in their. hell jeff the guys sellin this product or any other aint gonna tell ya ya dont need it cause what ya got is fine. I don't know Weas.. I saw first hand last Saturday on my buds oil guage 32 pds idling after installing it. Just seems like running higher oil pressure should be better or a good thing. OH and this is a genuine Harley part.
If high return line pressure blows your skirt up, go for it, just don't be surprised to sometimes see your oil cap pop off.
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Dave
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:51 pm |
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Jeff, it all goes back to what Empty said about the bearings...
In a car/truck engine with bearing inserts, yeah. You worry about oil pressure. But, with ball or roller bearings, they won't build or hold pressure...
As long as that light on your dash goes out, you've got enough oil pressure...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:40 pm |
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weasle wrote: probably dont put them in at the factory cause they dont work much better than whats in their. hell jeff the guys sellin this product or any other aint gonna tell ya ya dont need it cause what ya got is fine. I don't know Weas.. I saw first hand last Saturday on my buds oil guage 32 pds idling after installing it. Just seems like running higher oil pressure should be better or a good thing. OH and this is a genuine Harley part.
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empty
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:36 pm |
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Ya don't find many companies tryin' ta sell ya something that will make your motor work harder and live shorter.
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weasle
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:29 pm |
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| probably dont put them in at the factory cause they dont work much better than whats in their. hell jeff the guys sellin this product or any other aint gonna tell ya ya dont need it cause what ya got is fine.
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 04:11 pm |
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weasle wrote: just a little something to add to what empty said jeff, if you werent getting enough oil pressure to that engine yer lifters would rattle like hell , from what ive been told if you keep the idol where it should be , that stock oil pump does a fine job.and to be honest if i saw 32 lbs on my evo , id shit , figurin that engine was commin through the seat LOL. realise their different animals , but they both scavange the oil. LOL!! yeah and you know if I didn't have an oil pressure guage like on my old Superglide and bikes from the past.. it would even be a concern outa site outa mind.,., lol! My oil guage when the motors hot and idling carries only about 3 to 8 pds. Running down the road when hot about 28 pds. This higher pressure spring I mentioned comes with a list of benefits for whatever their worth. Mentions cooler operating engine temps and longer engine life. If its so great why don't they put in the motors from the factory.
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weasle
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 03:38 pm |
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| just a little something to add to what empty said jeff, if you werent getting enough oil pressure to that engine yer lifters would rattle like hell , from what ive been told if you keep the idol where it should be , that stock oil pump does a fine job.and to be honest if i saw 32 lbs on my evo , id shit , figurin that engine was commin through the seat LOL. realise their different animals , but they both scavange the oil. Last edited on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 03:42 pm by weasle |
empty
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 03:30 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote: empty wrote: jeffy ole boy wrote: Available at the dealer is this by pass spring that replaces the stock spring in the cam plate inside the cam cover. Cost $13.00 takes about 5 min to install once you have your cam cover off. Doubles oil pressure... At idle 32 psi and 60 at higher rpms.... Gonna put one in my bike this week. The only thing that concerns me are possible oil leaks from the increased pressure, but my mechanic says naw TC gaskets will hold.... You do realize, don't you, that pump is a scavenging pump. It is pumping oil out of the engine. Ok, then its going back in at the same rate or psi right? Well yeah, but the world of thinking oil pressure needs to be high comes from the mains and rod bearings being bushings with pressure behind them. Harleys have roller bearings that just need to be splashed. The only place pressure is an issue is getting to the top end, that's pretty minimal.
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 03:24 pm |
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empty wrote: jeffy ole boy wrote: Available at the dealer is this by pass spring that replaces the stock spring in the cam plate inside the cam cover. Cost $13.00 takes about 5 min to install once you have your cam cover off. Doubles oil pressure... At idle 32 psi and 60 at higher rpms.... Gonna put one in my bike this week. The only thing that concerns me are possible oil leaks from the increased pressure, but my mechanic says naw TC gaskets will hold.... You do realize, don't you, that pump is a scavenging pump. It is pumping oil out of the engine. Ok, then its going back in at the same rate or psi right?
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empty
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 02:33 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote: Available at the dealer is this by pass spring that replaces the stock spring in the cam plate inside the cam cover. Cost $13.00 takes about 5 min to install once you have your cam cover off. Doubles oil pressure... At idle 32 psi and 60 at higher rpms.... Gonna put one in my bike this week. The only thing that concerns me are possible oil leaks from the increased pressure, but my mechanic says naw TC gaskets will hold.... You do realize, don't you, that pump is a scavenging pump. It is pumping oil out of the engine.
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 02:18 pm |
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| Available at the dealer is this by pass spring that replaces the stock spring in the cam plate inside the cam cover. Cost $13.00 takes about 5 min to install once you have your cam cover off. Doubles oil pressure... At idle 32 psi and 60 at higher rpms.... Gonna put one in my bike this week. The only thing that concerns me are possible oil leaks from the increased pressure, but my mechanic says naw TC gaskets will hold....
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